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  1. Where did the Stone Roses from?
  2. Where did the name 'The Stone Roses' come from?
  3. When did the Stone Roses break up?
  4. Why did the Stone Roses break up?
  5. Why do some of the songs sound like they're being played backwards?
  6. What was the Stone Roses' first official release?
  7. What happened with Silvertone?
  8. How did Silvertone release non-Silvertone material on 'The Complete Stone Roses?'
  9. Are there any songs that sample Stone Roses music?
  10. Are there any books on The Stone Roses?
  11. Is John's paintings in any way connected with his lyrics?
  12. What is abstract art, and what is it like compared to traditional art?
  13. What is the definition of a collage painting?
  14. Can anyone tell me where I can find Jackson Pollocks #5?
  15. Who writes the Stone Roses' songs?
  16. Who plays the bassline on Fools Gold, Mani or John?
  17. How much, if any, of the drumbeat is provided by Reni and did he play it "live" or is it just him playing it once looped?
  18. What were the Roses' preferred positions when they performed?
  19. Does anyone know what the noise at the start of Shoot You Down is?
  20. Who is Phillip Hall? (Second Coming is dedicated to him)
  21. What is the name of John Squire's daughter and how old is she? come to think of it, how old are Ian and Reni's kids and what are their names?
  22. Did Nigel play keys standing up or sitting down, live?
  23. Are Simon Moore or Sylvlan Richardson is black?
  24. What does "Mani" mean?
  25. How did the term 'baggy' come about?
  26. How tall are the Roses?
  27. What is the significance of the Stone Roses Lemon t-shirt ?
  28. When Mani made the statement in October '96 that he was leaving the Roses, he said "I will be joining Primal Scream, who are one of only three other bands I would ever consider joining." What other two bands was he was talking about?
  29. What is the Misery Dictionary?
  30. What does "french homosexual poets" mean?
  31. How many bands were The Roses as individuals a part of?

Where did the Stone Roses from?

The orignal Stone Roses are said to be from Manchester, England.

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Where did the name 'The Stone Roses' come from?

John came up with the name.It was a a lose tribute to the Rolling Stones and it included the two opposites hard and soft.
"The name was a contradiction. Something hard and something pretty; something noisy but tuneful." - John Squire
(quote taken from "And God Created Manchester," Champion)

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When did the Stone Roses break up?

The band officially called it quits on 29 October 1996 when bassist Mani left to join Primal Scream.

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Why did The Stone Roses break up?

The leaving of Reni signified the end of the Roses for many.

Taken from the Roses mailing list:

Ian claims that Reni left because John liked playing to drum loops, but everything Ian and John have done post-1990 contradicts this. The only looped song on SC (I'm sure someone will correct me on this) is Begging You, which is one of the few written by Ian on SC. All the John-written songs use "proper" drumming. Also, if you compare UMB with DIY, UMB is Drumloop City, while DIY does not use any to my knowledge. So it seems to be Ian that favours drumloops, not John. He also said that not only John didn't want to play with Reni after 1991 but vice versa - probably just a clash of personalities?

John was the one who wanted to go in the direction of more classic guitar rock as was evident on Second Coming. For instance, Love Spreads, written by Squire. Daybreak written by Brown/Mounfield/Wren.

Then again, it wasn't as clear cut as this. Ian said a number of times that not only John, BUT ALSO Mani and Reni were taken in by Led Zep, and that the three of them used to sit in the studio, watching Zep videos together. Ian was probably against it, but perhaps the other two were not, especially Reni who no-one really seems to notice changed his drumming style quite a lot on SC. Instead of the funky jazzy rythmns (I hate spelling that word!) there was a much rockier style. Some article on the Roses 5 year disappearance said that he found the cataclysmicism of Led Zeppelin amazing. Could John Bonham have replaced Jaki Liebezeit as his influence, ala Squire/Page?

Bassist Mani left later to join Primal Scream and this spelled the official break up.

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Why do some of the songs sound like they're being played backwards?

The Stone Roses often come up with another track by playing one of their existing tracks backward. Sometimes this is a remix. The most obvious example is the 'Waterfall' / 'Don't Stop' duo on the debut album. Feedback I've gathered from the Stone roses mailing list has proven Guernica to be the favourite Stone Roses track made from a song played in reverse. Here is a full listing of the backward tracks (and their forward counterpart):

Waterfall & Don't Stop
Elephant Stone & Full Fathom Five
Where Angels Play & Simone
Made Of Stone & Guernica

Ed's Note: If you read through the discography, you may have laboured to discover that none of these related tracks last the same time.

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What was the Stone Roses' first official release?

Their first official commercial release was the 12" single 'So Young' with 'Tell Me' as the B-side. It was released on Thinline Records with a catalog number of THIN 001. There were apparently only 1200 of these printed.

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What happened with Silvertone?

Silvertone kept possession of all recordings done under them. They seem to milking it for all it's worth.

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How did Silvertone release non-Silvertone material on 'The Complete Stone Roses?'

It is not certain. They either :
a. bought the rights to the Thinline and FM Revolver releases.
or
b. pay royalties to the songs' respective owners.

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Are there any songs that sample Stone Roses music?

'What's It All About' by Run DMC. (Fools Gold)
'Tunes Splits the Atom' by 808State vs MC Tunes (I am The Resurrection)
'Fools Gold 99' by Grooverider

The roses samples from the above songs named and they have one thing in common; they are all from bass riffs by Mani.

The mani bass riff from resurrection and was used on the 808state vs mc tunes single "tunes splits the atom" again, it is used the whole song through, it is kinda in the background, but any roses fan will notice the riff as soon as they hear it.

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Are there any books on The Stone Roses?

There is a guitar tablature book for 'Second Coming' which uses the same art as the album cover.
From:
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Order No. AM934736
ISBN: 0-7119-5457-7
Printed in the United Kingdom by Page Brothers - Norwich
last thing.... not authorized for sale in US or Canada

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"Play Guitar With The Stone Roses" debut album tab book is avaliable by order via the web.

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JOHN ROBB: "The Stone Roses And The Resurrection Of British Pop" (Ebury Press,$9.99)

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Stoned love : The true story of The Stone Roses by Newton, Ro Featuring a full discography of this indie band, this book looks at the rise and fall of "The Stone Roses". From their solo album in the 1980s this biography charts the group's successes to their split, with John Squire forming "The Seahorses" and Mani joining "Primal Scream".

Price:9.99
Bookpoints:50
Availability:Not yet published - but why not place an advance order today?
Format : Paperback
No. of Pages : 250
Size (in mm):234 x 156
Publisher:Omnibus Press
Date Published: Oct 1998
Category: Art, General

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Sarah Champion devotes chapter 15 to the Stone Roses in her 1990 book "And God Created Manchester."

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There is also a list of books to The Ultimate Stone Roses Discography Web Page. It's in the Miscellaneous section :
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5487/turdmisc.html

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Is John's paintings in any way connected with his lyrics?

Well Bye Bye Badman (the painting on the front cover of the album) is connected to the song of the same name. The song's about the some riots in France which is why you have the blue, white and red stripes (the french flag) and the lemons were used by the rioters to prevent the effects of tear gas. I guess you could possibly say One Love has a small connection because the words "one love" are in the painting!

Then of course there's Waterfall, the painting being of a torn Union Jack with stars mixed into it. Way back Ian said the song is about British and American Imperialism.

Mind you, he's recently said that the song is about a girl getting on a ship at Dover and taking a trip, so make of that what you will.

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What is abstract art, and what is it like compared to traditional art?

Abstract art is anything that does not simply try to represent a given scene directly. It is a rather ambiguious word because if you look at some of Cezannes work he breaks things down into geometric shapes and that can be considered abstract, but it is still giving a direct representation of a scene.

Abstract art is a very abstract term. What John Squire gets into in a kind of abstract called abstract expressionalism, like Jackson Pollock. However, I think Squire's later stuff, like the Help! cover and the video for Standing Here hold much more of a Jasper Johns influence, JasperJohns off course being the "founding father" of pop art, and who also bridged the gap between pop art and abstract expressionalism by using the hard pop art images and making them a little obscure. Cezanne's geometric shapes idea is a form of cubism, which was also attempted by Picasso and tons of other artists... Realism can be cool too though. Check out an artist called Richard Estes, his paintings are so real looking they look like photographs. I had to get two inches away from one of his paintings once in order to tell it apart from a photograph! Really skilled guy!

There's actually a Jaspar John's art with a eye glasses in cement that was similiar to one of Squire's artwork for Blinded by the Sun.

If you are really into modern art you HAVE to buy a book called "The Story of Modern Art" by Norbet Lynton. It is the most comprehensive and fully illustrated introduction to modern art that I know about. It is about 20 dollars or 15 pounds. And you should be able to find it because the cover is Jackson Pollock's No.26a black and white.

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What is the definition of a collage painting?

When something is stuck onto the canvas, or surface on which the painting is being made.

A collage is basically a mixture of mediums, it doesn't have to be on canvas, they can by done on anything. Robert Rauschenberg made some great collages into 3-D structures that could be intergrated into dance routines as he is buddies with a lot of choreographers. There isn't a limit to them.

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Can anyone tell me where I can find Jackson Pollocks #5?

Try MOMA first.... they have a lot of his stuff. It's just a typical Pollock painting though. I think he has two No. 5's, so who knows which one ol' Squire was talking about.

I believe there are two Number 5's.

one painted in 1952, 56"x31 1/2" (enamel on canvas) owned by Lee Krasner Pollack this one looks more of like black on white and the other one Number 5,1948. Sometimes Pollack numbers em and put the year to distinguish one from another.

Pollack Number 8 1949 looks like Bye Bye Badman and Autumn Rhythm,Number 30, 1950.(which is black streaks on a huge mural)

Pollock made many "black poured" paintings, but never gave them any proper names, just numbers. But after they had new owners, they were often renamed. In 1955, 4 years after painting #5, he traded in 2 of his paintings with an art dealer in exchange for a new car, and she went on to call #5 "Elegant Lady". So in other words, "There she looks like an Elegant Lady"

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Who writes the Stone Roses' songs?

Ian said about this :
"We shared writing the lyrics. Adored is all me, She Bangs The Drums is half and half, I did the verses, he (John) did the chorus, Waterfall - John did most lyrics on Waterfall, Dont Stop is about fifty-fifty, Badman about fifty-fifty, Elizabeth My Dear I wrote, Made Of Stone I wrote 90 percent, Shoot You Down we both wrote, This Is The One I wrote, Resurrection I wrote. So John wrote some of the lyrics, yeah. But we both wrote melodies, and the melodies and the music were made at the same time."

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Who plays the bassline on Fools Gold, Mani or John?

Mani - but John wrote it and tended to play it live at the start bit check out the miming top of the pops for the amazing silent guitar.

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How much, if any, of the drumbeat is provided by Reni and did he play it "live" or is it just him playing it once looped?

The main loop was recorded, and Reni played a bit over it, so there are two drumbeats in there at one point or another.

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What were the Roses' preferred positions when they performed?

John only started standing on the right hand of the stage (to Ian Brown's left) during the Second Coming tour. During the 89/90 period, he always stood to Ian's right. This is a really stupid point but has anyone noticed how Squire seemed to always perform on the right left hand of the stage with the Roses (as you look at the stage) with Mani on the right but with the Seahorses it appears to be the other way round with Stuart on the left instead. Coincidence?

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Does anyone know what the noise at the start of Shoot You Down is?

It sounds like a recording of a part of tennis match - after someone's won a point. You can hear the tennis ball sound and the crowd clapping before it fades out into the drums intro. Don't know its significance, though.

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Who is Phillip Hall? (Second Coming is dedicated to him)

He was the guy the Roses finally hired to be their manager, but he died of cancer a few weeks afterwards.

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What is the name of John Squire's daughter and how old is she? come to think of it, how old are Ian and Reni's kids and what are their names?

john's daughter - janie or jamie. i think it's janie. she's about 5 or 6 now.
ian's sons - frankie is about 5 and casey is a little younger. 3-ish.
reni's kids - ? one of his daughters is like 11 now, though.
mani's son - joseph. he's 5 now.

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Did Nigel play keys standing up or sitting down, live?

Nigel played on the whole sitting down, but was quite excitable and did stand up quite often.

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Are Simon Moore or Sylvlan Richardson is black?

Both Simon Moore and Sylvan Richardson are black.

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What does "Mani" mean?

In Manchester and other northern towns, there is a tendency to shorten peoples names to make nicknames, but this one was too weird. During the early days of the Christian church, and the later days of the Roman Empire of The West, before the Bishop of Rome was anything but a bishop of Rome, there was a man named Mani (often spelled Mane, and sometimes Manes.) who combined Christian thought with existing Middle Eastern paradigms such as Zoroatrian, Islamic, Judaic, and paganistic structures. He was the greatest threat that the Catholic church faced, and his legacy still is in some ways....Knights Templar, Freemasons, Cathars, and incredible amounts of others have known connections to Manichean thought.

Given that Ian knows his shit about Biblical, Apocryphal, Cabalistic, and other such metaphysical thought structures, it is quite possible that the nickname "Mani" given to Gary Mounfield has an entirely different meaning than what we ever thought.

Here's one guess.They were all drinking under a bridge in 1984 and Ian made up 'Mani' because he thought it was really really funny at the time and it stuck.

It was just too much of a stretch Dheeraj. It's just a nickname. It could mean anything. Hmm, maybe Ian was watching American television (American satellites) and caught a commercial for the American automotive parts shop Pep Boys. I'm sure he paid attention as he's surely had to repair his scooter sometimes. You know, the spokespersons for Pep Boys are three cartoon characters called "Manny", Moe and Jack. Maybe Ian's a poor speller and thought "Manny" was "Mani". Actually, I heard that Ian used to refer to Gary as his "main man" (a popular phrase back in the 80's) but one time misspelled it on a birthday card. He accidentally wrote "Gary - my mani man." Gary liked the sound of it and adopted the nickname "mani man" but Ian shortened it to just "Mani" because "Mani man" was too long.

"Mani" may have come from his last name, Mounfield. Okay, so "Mani" doesn't sound like "Mounfield" if you say it with an American accent, but maybe if you switched into a Mancester one...?

And of course "Reni" came from Alan WREN

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How did the term 'baggy' come about?

Don't know the origins... but there was a football club (WBA?) known as the Baggies?

As has been mentioned already, the term comes from the clothes and atmosphere of the era - both been loose and easy (see Happy Mondays' Loose Fit lyrics).It's cack dancing, whilst on E, in tight clothes hence the abundance of baggy tshirts. Flares were a fashion gag.

It was a word created by overzealous Brit journalists who felt it was time to 'kill' a scene. baggy, britpop, the new new wave, shoegazer, etc. are tags created by fat headed writers from the nme, mm, select, etc who decide to clump bands that have nothing to do with each other into subgroups for more efficient 'killings' when they decide it's due time.

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How tall are the Roses?

Mani - 5'5
Ian   - 5'7
Reni - 5'11
John - 6'

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What is the significance of the Stone Roses Lemon t-shirt ?

It's more Paris Riots related shenanigans. basically, the rioting students found that if they sucked on lemons, the police CS Gas didn't make their eyes water (see also the Blackpool live vid - Ian says "suck 'em your eyes don't water from CS Gas, it's true!").

And it was on the TSR cover, obviously.Maybe it's more just because John thought it was a nice visual, and the Paris link is just a happy coincidence. However, as Ian seems very into the whole Fench Situationism thing, it is quite probably deliberate.

Seeing as Burnweed has tied The Roses' lyrics to the bible, perhaps I should see how they fit with Debord's "Society of the spectacle", as they seem to be very into Situationist ideas.

Very deliberate - the painting is called Bye Bye Badman after the song, which was targeted at those who tried to put the Paris riots down. It apparantly came about when Ian and John watched a documentary about the riots and thought the students were rather cool.

French students rubed them in there eyes to counteract CS gas (paris riots 68) if you need to more listen to Bye bye Badman and think of Ian as a student on the picket line singing the song to a French Pig

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When Mani made the statement in October '96 that he was leaving the Roses, he said "I will be joining Primal Scream, who are one of only three other bands I would ever consider joining." What other two bands was he was talking about?

The Jesus and Mary Chain and The Beastie Boys.

In the Melody Maker interview, Mani never said he would like to play bass for Oasis, He said there are only 2 bands other than the roses he would want to be in, and in the same interview he revealed that they woule be Jesus and Mary chain, and the fantastic Beastie Boys, not the lacklustre Oasis.

Mani does like Oasis, though, unfortuanely, as he said in an interview on MTV. But I can hardly see a bass player having a very active role in Oasis can you? Just plodding away safely in the background, you can hardly even hear any bass on their records, certainly not comapred to the Roses, Primal Scream or the Beastie Boys.

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What is the Misery Dictionary?

The Misery Dictionary in a certain 5th grade class means that if you don't do your homework you get the song played and you have to copy a dictionary page plus make up your homework. Well, that's what it means to a bunch of fifth graders in Chicago anyways.

Misery Dictionary was "a satire on the dour image of Manchester at the time". Or was that So Young? it was either that, or probably something about Goths, or both.

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What does "french homosexual poets" mean?

It was what Ian Brown wrote for John Squire's name tag on the 'home video' on The Complete Stone Roses video. It's in the Complete video, all the band are wearing these little badges. Ian's says "Ian Brown, vocals". John's says "John Squire, french homosexual poet".

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How many bands were The Roses as individuals a part of?

That depends on what your definiton of a band is.

Ian - The Patrol,The Waterfront,The English Rose,The Stone Roses,UNKLE,Ian Brown All-Stars
John - The Patrol,The Waterfront,The English Rose,The Stone Roses,The Seahorses,Skunk Works
Mani - The Waterfront,Mil,The Stone Roses,Primal Scream
Reni - The Stone Roses,Hunkpapas

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FAQ by Lionel Teo.
Compiled from The Stone Roses mailing list
Copyright 1999  Schizophrenic Productions. All rights reserved.
Revised: May 24, 1999 .